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Sunday, May 14, 2006

Kid Kobe Should Learn from King James

Couldn't have put it better myself ...

Gene Wojciechowski: Lessons to be learned watching LeBron go all out

"Kobe, this is how you lead a team.

You don't defer to the Bryant-ettes. You don't hide behind "the game plan." You don't enter a witness protection program, take just three second-half shots and score zero field goals in the last 24 minutes of a playoff elimination game.

The numbers weren't his best, but some Cavs believe LeBron James played his best game Saturday.Instead, you do what LeBron James did Saturday night in Game 3 of the Eastern Conference semifinals: You let the game come to you. And when it gets within arm's reach, you grab it hard by the earlobe, pull it close, and don't let go until it whimpers for mercy.

The Detroit Pistons aren't exactly whimpering, but they are in a little bit of playoff pain. They had a 2-0 series lead and a 10-point advantage midway through the third quarter of Saturday evening's game against the Cleveland Cavaliers at The Q. But that was before the anti-Kobe stuck a cocktail toothpick in the Pistons' plans for a sweep.

"He does things that most guys can't do," said the Pistons' Chauncey Billups.

If Bryant didn't see King James cut Detroit's series lead in half, then Los Angeles Lakers coach Phil Jackson ought to DHL him the game tape as soon as possible. James wrote a baller's how-to manual against the conference's -- and maybe the league's -- best team.

When the Pistons were up by those double digits, James didn't go into a funk (like Kobe did in Game 7 against the Phoenix Suns). He didn't pout (like Kobe did). He didn't play like he was on sedatives (like Kobe did).

He led. He inspired. He willed.

"Honestly, I think this is the best game he's played," said Cavs veteran Donyell Marshall.

LBJ has scored more, thrilled more and dazzled more. But good luck finding a game where James has meant more to the Cavs. He had 21 points, which is nice, but it's still 12 points less than his playoff average and 10 points off his regular-season average. But James also had 10 rebounds and 10 assists for his 10th career triple-double. (And did we mention the four steals and one blocked shot?) He did everything but tape his teammates' ankles.

The King and his Court beat the Pistons 86-77. ABC thought so much of the game that the network skip-passed it to ESPN, from prime time to late-afternoon -- informercial time. Can you blame it? Detroit was up 2-0 and favored by the Vegas smart guys to make it 3-0.

The schedule might have said otherwise, but this was an elimination game. Lose this one and the Cavs could start logging on to Orbitz for their vacation plans. You need to chug Holy Water to come back from an 0-3 series deficit, especially against the heartless Pistons, who have a history of stepping on opponents' throats as if they're cigarette butts.

But James wouldn't let Detroit grind its sneakers into the Cavs. He had only four points at halftime, but he already had five rebounds, seven assists, a steal, and a blocked shot. He was playing the kind of defense you see on instructional videos. And nobody on the floor played every second of every minute of the half as James did.

Kobe had 23 points in the first half of Game 7 against the Suns. The Lakers trailed by 15 -- not good, but not insurmountable. But rather than take control, Bryant stuck to some sort of game plan that apparently called for him to keep force-feeding his teammates. At least, that's what Bryant said after the Suns won by 31 and overcame a 3-1 series deficit.

It was a bogus excuse, the work of a great player having an on-court hissy fit. When the Bryant-ettes couldn't deliver, Kobe did nothing to help them. In essence, he gave up.

James didn't know it, but he delivered the perfect cross-country response to Kobe and the Lakers star's lame reasoning about sticking to "the game plan." Game plans change. They evolve. Sometimes they have to be dumped.

James knows this. Kobe doesn't.

"I don't plan what I'm going to do before the game," James said. "I just react to the game. I get doubled, I get a ball up. It's been my motto all year. It's been my motto all my life.

"But I seen some creases in the fourth quarter and I was able to attack it and give ourselves an opportunity to win the ballgame." He scored 22 of Cleveland's final 33 points, and 15 in the fourth.

James involved his teammates in Game 3. When he was double teamed -- which happened a lot -- he found the open man. Anderson Varejao (think Florida's Joakim Noah) had an unexpected 16 points, thanks in part to James' feeds off screen-and-rolls. Marshall chipped in nine points, including a run-out basket made possible by a James flip pass that somehow covered three-quarters of the court and dropped perfectly into Donyell's hands.

But in the second half, even after missing his first two jumpers ... even after the Pistons were a shot or two from blowing the game wide open ... James remained patient. And when the time was right, he overwhelmed the Pistons.

A jumper. A dunk that made my teeth rattle. A Raisinets-sweet feed to Varejao that put the Cavs ahead 63-62 with 7:22 remaining in the third quarter. A he-didn't-really-do-that-did-he? underhand scoop shot from the baseline. Another feed to Varejao. Another drive past Tayshaun Prince (who just happens to be a second team All-NBA Defensive Team selection) for a lay-in. And another. A stolen pass. A 3-pointer from the wing that stretched Cleveland's lead to seven points with 1:10 left to play. A skip pass to Damon Jones for a trey.

"I had to step up, and it wasn't by scoring," James said. "I didn't have one of my big offensive nights like I can have."

But he had a big night, which is why this series will live for at least five games, maybe longer. Game 4 is Monday evening.

Kobe should watch. And learn."

136 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

It makes it all the much sweeter when LeBron becomes a free agent and signs with the Lakers.

7:52 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Heh heh! Together Kobe and LeBron would be Kobrone.

8:09 PM

 
Blogger TeamPlayer said...

That's hillarious. Actually, I think Kobe is a Kobrone all by himself.

8:38 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

just keep hatin. i bet you would take any star ova kobe. this is getting hilarious

8:50 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

kobe doesnt need t o learn anything. its him against the world. everybody doubts him. thats whats so great about him. he carries himself

8:52 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

kobe was just fallowing what phil told him.man dont u know, he didnt quit. EVEN PHIL ACKNOWLEDGED HIM.

Yes, Michael Jordan did it too, in Game 5 of the 1989 Eastern finals, when the Bulls were tied, 2-2, with the Bad Boy Pistons, who dogged him according to their "Jordan Rules."
When Jordan drove, it was, in the words of the great Lester Hayes, like running a gantlet of pit bulls wearing pork chop underwear, prompting Bulls Coach Doug Collins to suggest Mike go to teammates to throw the Bad Boys off the trail.
Jordan took eight shots in 46 minutes in a 94-85 loss. The Pistons then closed them out in Game 6.

9:05 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

look this wasnt supposed to happen. this was never supposed to happen. we won game 6 for all purpose and reason. you all know that. it wasnt kobe's fault that they lost game 6 rite. he gave it all he got and his team got a 3 point lead. but it wasnt kobe's fault that lamar wasnt guarding his man(tim thomas). it wasnt his fault that lamar didnt get the re ova shawn. it wasnt his fault.


think of it this way. u think jordan would have dont what kobe's doing. u really think that jordan could win with the current lakers team. if u do, ur out of ur mind

9:12 PM

 
Anonymous asorto1 said...

Lebron signing with the Lakers would be even more proof that Dobe is completely overrated, imagine, it would take someone like LeBron to save Dobe's career after Shaq left.

I seriously doubt that the Lakers could sign LeBron, specially since Dobe would feel threatened by him, just like he felt threatened by Shaq. Also, LeBron would probably ask for some serious $$, and Dobe already took alot of it.

If the Lakers were to sign LeBron, Dobe would probably be shipped to Cleveland. We shall see.

The beauty of it all is that ever since Dobe got his wish (i.e. "becoming the Man"), Dobe fans have to focus on the future, and not the present, since Dobe just doesn't have it takes. I can't blame them, the Lakers went from being in the finals, to being LED by Dobe to the lottery, and to a monumental playoff collapse this year, and to top it all off, Dobe earned the title of quitter in game 7. Not even Jordan can claim the title of quitting on his team!!!.

Nice Dobe, LeBron come rescue the Lakers before they become the new Clippers of the West.

9:15 PM

 
Anonymous asorto1 said...

Dobe made his bed, no he has to sleep on it too. Meaning that he helped to create the team that he has, and if you Dobe fans don't see that, then you're as blind as a bat.

Oh, and by the way, Jordan won with players like Luke Longley, Bill Winnington, Bill Paxon. The only real good player that Jordan had was Pippen, and Pippen was a nobody til Jordan make him a BETTER player. Which is precisely the point of why Dobe is not that great, he can not make average players good. And his endless desire to play 1 on 5 ball makes the Lakers predictable. And even you Dobe Brownosers must admit that you should never ever, ever, ever quit on your team. Dobe did. And that's a fact. If the freaking L.A. Times is now busting on Dobe. Stop defending Dobe and focus on what's good for your the Lakers, not what's good for Dobe. Alot of Dobe fans are in some serious denial. Dobe needs to listen to Phil Jackson, but teamball doesn't doesn't mean you only pass, it measn knowing when to pass (i.e NOT playing 1 on 5) and knowing when to SHOOT.

9:36 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you say the same things over and over again

11:19 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My biggest fear is not winning another title. But fear is a great motivator. I'm determined to lead this organization back to the top. The people who once celebrated me are the same people who doubt me now. They say that because I don't have Shaq that I can't win, that it's over. The only thing I truly worry about is that my drive and my will are sometimes too much for my teammates to handle. Do I expect too much from them? How can I elevate them to play with my same passion every night?

What helps me understand and deal with this is the fact that I was once in their shoes. I once played a supporting role on this team. Back then I knew how much pressure Shaquille had on him to win a ring and I also knew I could help. So I studied the game offensively and especially defensively because I knew that if I could harass on the perimeter with him clogging the lane, it would demoralize our opponents more than anything we could do offensively.

I also knew that the teams he played on in the past did not have a closer. No one could take the game over down the stretch or hit the game winner or make the key free throws. Those were Shaq's weaknesses, so I had to step up and make them my strengths. I knew how much more I could bring to the battle, but that wasn't my role. I was a scorer who became a facilitator in order to win.

But now I worry because I know how hard that was for me to learn, how many sleepless nights I had and how much criticism and trade rumors I had to endure before I mastered my role. This is probably what my current teammates are going through. All I can do is pray that one day we will reach the same level of chemistry and understanding that existed between me, Shaq, Rick Fox, Derek Fisher, Robert Horry and all the other players I once went to war with.

The fears I have are soothed a little by the presence of Phil Jackson. Simply put: He is the best coach I have ever played for. Everything I have learned about the game can be traced to him and Tex Winter. They teach the game at such a deeper level than X's and O's. The game is a rhythm, a dance. Phil and Tex have taught me to feel the game. To think the game without thinking, to see without seeing. They taught me how to prepare. How to conceptualize the spirit of my opponents and attack them where they are weak.
I've seen how prepared PJ gets before games, and as the on-court leader he is trusting me to do the same. So I do all the things he has taught me to do before tipoff and once the ball is in the air my mind is at ease and my body is ready to play. I take it to the other team on both ends of the floor. I take pride in being able to do that. I HATE being scored on, even by players who some say are "un-guardable." I don't believe it when they say "Oh, that player is just hot today." F--- that! Cool his ass off then.

When we play on the road and the entire crowd is booing me it doesn't bother me at all. What I think about is simple: "When these fans leave this game I want them to remember how hard I fought and the passion and drive with which I played." I have always played this game with passion. And I always worked hard.

When I saw the movie Rudy I remember thinking, "What if I worked that hard?" God has blessed me both physically and intellectually to play this game, so what would happen if I push as hard as the character in this film? I would love for people to think of me as a talented overachiever. Even though those fans may chant "Kobe sucks" when they leave that arena I want them to walk out with a different feeling than they came in with. When they leave they'll leave with the understanding that they have just witnessed a player give himself completely to his passion; they have just watched an athlete pour every ounce of his heart and soul out on that floor.

And hopefully, when the next volume of my life is all said and done, they will respect and appreciate the years that I spent giving all of me to the game that means everything to me.

-kobe bryant

2:54 AM

 
Blogger asorto1 said...

regarding above quote from "Kobe Bryant".

That's funny. No one ever accused Dobe of NOT saying the right things. His actions speak alot louder than a statement that his lawyer, or publicist, prepared for him.

Stick to the facts people, oh wait, the facts hurt.

10:13 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As asorto said, that statement means nothing. We all know Dobe didn't prepare it. We now all know how he really feels after he sent 20 stalker-esque messages to Barkley. Dobe didn't think Barkley would come out publicly and tell everyone what Dobe text messaged him and how he cried about the whole thing. Dobe didn't expect that at all. Now he knows that we all know what a real cry-baby he really is. He may have been able to fake it through a his PR agent's statement but he pretty much fed himself to the wolves when he messed with Charles Barkley because Sir Charles will always tell it like it is.

~JD

6:12 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

wait up guys. tell me more about the text messaging that kobe did to charles. did charles criticize him? does anybody have the full story? this is getting interesting

7:00 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

have been learning about the ambition inside me since I was a kid. It was there during the hours I would spend on a playground in Italy and a group of my friends would come to me and tell me I would never be an NBA player. It was there during all the time I would practice alone

was even doubted as a kid. i feel sorry for the dude.

3:18 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a pathetic excuse for a sports blog. You've taken a personal stance on Kobe and slant everything to support your views. Nice work moron.

12:10 PM

 
Blogger asorto1 said...

ha ha ha, it seems like a Dobe fan is upset. The truth hurts, doesn't it? I love it. :-)

12:30 PM

 
Blogger asorto1 said...

Dobe will be a guest tonight during TNT's NBA Playoff coverage. Given what Barkley said about Dobe, and Dobe's response, it should be FUN, as they will be both be sitting near each other.

1:49 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

if u say shaq would have won without kobe, u guys dont know basketball.

9:16 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about those cavs, lebron winning three straight against the pistons, kobe could barely win one game with shaq against them during the finals. Lebron should now be recognized by everyone as the best player in the league. Lebron is a much better player than kobe at age 28. Don't give the 81 point game as kobe being the best. Lebron got 50 wins, their teams have same talent level, lebron just makes everyone around him better. Lebron shoots nearly 50 percent while kobe shoots a miserable 45 percent. lebron gets 7 rebounds and 7 assists, kobe gets 5 rebounds and 4 assists. so kobe averaged 35, but kobe has the lowest fg percentage of any player who averaged 35 or more in a season. lebron had 31 pts a game which is just what he needs to do. Cavs are about to beat the pistons, which is probably going to be the biggest upset in the history of the game. And the cavs can play just as good as the heat. who knows how far lebron can go in the playoffs, but no matter what, he has proven his worth and his first playoff run was probably the most successful for a first timer. MJ=greatest, Lebron=2nd greatest, kobe=long shot of being in the top 20 of greatest players.

12:24 AM

 
Blogger TeamPlayer said...

I agree, Lebron continues to exceed all expectations. How many people predicted a sweep? I have to say I never expected the Cavs to be 3 to 2 over the Pistons. But that's what a great player does, exceed what's expected of him. Dobe, on the other hand, was the one hailed as the next Jordan and has failed miserably.

12:34 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

MJ does not = greatest.
Bill Russell = greatest.
When are you two going to learn how to count. Come on, all together now.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11.
That is 11 championship titles in a 13 year career and 8 in a row. Now that is greatness and not MJ.

1:22 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the greatest is either wilt, or russel. period. u know that back then, wilt was so good that the nba had to ban some rules against him so it would be fair.

1:28 AM

 
Blogger TeamPlayer said...

When are you going to learn that greateness is not just sheer numbers? Bill Russell was great but he played 1956-1969, when there weren't many great competitors out there. Michael Jordan played at a much more competitive time.

It's like that high school girl that scored 113 points in a game while the other team score 39. Sure, she's really good, but her 113 is also a factor of the other team being really horrible, but just her greatness.

1:31 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have no problem with Russell or Wilt being the greatest. But the point is Kobe had this coming to him. Ok the Lakers supporting cast suck but guess what, it was Kobe's doing. He wrecked the freaking team by wanting to be THE star. He chased Shaq away and that made all the other guys leave.

Kobe is a selfish player and it took Phil Jackson to make him to make him realize he need to pass the freaking ball. The Lakers playoff victories stemmed from him getting the team involved.

2:19 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

wow. u stupid or what. u really believed that kobe ratted him out of Hollywood. wow. never. when di shaq say that. when did shaq say that he got kicked out of L.A. He never did. it was shaq's fault too. he wanted the spotlight just as much as kobe dimwit. he was getting 25 mill a year but he wanted more. since he was injured so often and the fact that they need cap room, they traded him. guess what he got over there? 20 mill. what goes around comes around. of course he aint ganna say that because he would be asking to come back to L.A to be getting the 25 million back. but shaq wouldnt do that because it makes him look stupid.

so numbers do not matter to greatness? wth... then what does matter to being the best? the player that tries the most to win?

2:54 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So if Shaq wanted the spotlight then why the hell is he happy taking a backseat to Dwayne Wade in Miami you moron. And let's say you're right about Shaq leaving L.A. on his own. That's cuz the Shaq-Kobe combo wasn't working no more. Why? Kobe wanted to be the star. When Shaq,Kobe, Payton and Malone were together Kobe was the only moron who didn't want to sacrifice like the other 3 did to make the team work. Phil Jackson even wrote a freaking book about what a pain Kobe is to work with, short of saying he's uncoachable. Saya much about what an ass Kobe is. Lebron is the real deal and he's more MJ-ish at this point in his career than Kobe will ever be.

3:57 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Remember it was Shaq who asked for the trade since he couldn't stand Kobe's shit anymore.

4:05 AM

 
Blogger asorto1 said...

Quote by Phil Jackson regarding Dobe: "I won't coach this team next year if he is still here. He won't listen to anyone. I've had it with this kid.... Kobe is missing out by not finding a way to become part of a system than involves giving to something larger than himself.... The boyish hero image has been replaced by that of a callous gun for hire." by Phil Jackson

10:54 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Oh, what the heck. For $10 million I will coach Kobe again." Not a direct quote, but very close.

6:54 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This blog has it right on Shaq:

http://www.tagworld.com/birdsblog

Also, LeBron belongs in LA... if he stays in Cleveland, he's the next "Nique Wilkens

7:22 PM

 
Anonymous Cote said...

Lebron is truly a man among men. Let's see if he can carry them through this round

8:28 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A Kobe-Lebron tandem would just ruin Lebron's career. No way Lebron would stand playing with a selfish player like Kobe. It wll just be like early in his rookie year when none of the Cavs woiuld pass him the ball

9:09 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

pshh let the cavs fan have there fun. i mean come on, whens the last time they had glory. opps they never did. jordan buzzer ova elom was the closest. losers rooting for cleveland. haha.

u dont even know the girl that scored 100 in a half. Lisa Leslie u morons

9:52 PM

 
Blogger TeamPlayer said...

You should do your research before you call someone a moron. The girl's name is Epiphanny Prince and she scored 113 points in February.

10:54 PM

 
Anonymous asorto1 said...

"Oh, what the heck. For $10 million I will coach Kobe again." Not a direct quote, but very close.

Not a direct quote? that's funny. Ok, so now we're typing hypothetical quotes, nice.

The quote that I posted was a real quote, stick to the facts please. Jackson got all that money to come back, but he also got show that show his coaching, even when Dobe does his best to play 1 on 5, was instrumental in getting the Lakers to the playoffs, which they did not do when Dobe was left alone.

As far as the Dobe fans that claim Dobe is better than Lebron, please get real, he's not. AND, a more fair comparison would be comparing Dobe when he was 21 Vs. today's Lebron.

The Cavs may not have a past like the Lakers of the glory days, but under Dobe's so called "leadership", the Lakers are no better than the Cavs, so Dobe fans should not talk. So far, under Dobe, the Lakers failed to make the playoffs, and they lost in the 1st round. Last time I checked, the Cavs were still in the playoffs.
So who's the better team? I think it's pretty obvious.

11:11 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

theres a reason why eastern conference players average more points, higher shooting percentage. Duhhhhh. there in the eastern conference. ever since jordan's bulls the eastern conference has been a joke. the defense is terrible.

the leaders are KObe, Allen, Lebron, Wade, pierce and then Nowitzki. not 100 percent sure but close. look, there is more eastern conference players. Lerbron has most of his games against teams like the um.. wizards, bucks, bulls indiana. and they even made the playoffs. dont forget about the raptors. its easy, we can defend him with facts as much as u haters can. ill say it once again. lebron's in the eastern conference. even mark cuban said that.

and lisa leslie did score hundred points. yeah in one half.

look check at ALL THE POLLS U IDIOTS. WHY IS KOBE GETTING 80 PERCENT OF ALL THE MVP VOTES BY THE FANS? lebron is a contender, but obviously majority of AMerica proves u wrong

12:45 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

west is tougher, harder and more competitive then the EAst. the East is a joke

12:46 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No need to check the polls you "idiot", the facts speak for themselves. But since you want to "check the polls", you idiot. Check this out, 3 days ago ESPN did a poll. The question was, who would you rather have, Dobe or LeBron? 78% picked Lebron, and 22% picked Dobe, and that's a fact, check it out on espn.com

Oh yeah, the East sucks? Lebron gets his points against teams like the Raptors? that's funny you say that because Dobe got his 81 points against the RAPTORS!!!! "you idiot".

Are the Pistons and Heat chopped liver? NOT. Get a life, the Lakers suck regardless of whether they were in the East or West. In general, the West has better teams, but the Lakers are NOT one of them. The Lakers in the East might have gotten an extra 5 wins, but it sure would not be b/c of Dobe. Face it, the Lakers under Dobe are an average team at best. As I've said before, he made his bed, now he has to sleep on it.

Oh, and by the way, Dobe got spanked by the, uh, Wizards!!!

1:00 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

having on the team is different. were talking about who did better. lebron or kobe. why talk about facts when teamplayer said numbers dont matter? russel has way more than jordan, but no, we cant look at the facts now. Kobe did a way better job than lebron in the season. simply because his team is in the west because like u said "in general, theres better team in the west." he has to work his ass off to get wins. thats why fans say he deserves mvp.

u stupid i said the raptors to tell u how different it is in the east and west. kobe getting 81 points is telling you how bad the east is and the fact that lebron faces them about 2 more times.

lets look at the real facts now since u wanna talk about them.

lakers play teams harder than lebrons team for about 40 games. and yet he was only 5 short of lebron's team.

fans say he mvp because hes the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER.

telling me i have no life? haha what does that make u. i just watch the laker games whether they lose or not. u watch the lose team that never got a ring. ok.

u say lebron is so much better, then lets look at the record

kobe 0-2. lebron 0-3.

1:17 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You're telling me Lebron loses some credit just because he's in the 'weaker' conference? The you're implying that guys like Karl Malone, Stockton, Magic Johnson lose their value since they played in the West in the 80's and early 90's where the East was the dominant conference. And today's "weaker" East are not the East of a few years ago anymore where they really sucked. Many of the East teams that used to suck can hold their own now.

1:22 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

pistons, heats, nets and cleveland are the only team that can hold there own.

1:29 AM

 
Anonymous asorto1 said...

dude, are you on crack or what.

If you're so proud about Dobe's 81 points, and yet you say that the Raptors are a sorry team, which they are, then that means that Dobe's 81 points are not as good as if he had gotten them against the Pistons (which by the way, it's a team on the East). Yeah I know, this is too much for you to handle or understand.

Wha? Kobe is 0-2, and Lebron is o-3? are you brain dead? yes you are. Dobe is 0-2 and he's 27 about to turn 28. LeBron is 21, and he's in 2nd round of the playoffs, his team might just eliminate the Pistons. Even you must realize that. And again, Dobe created all of this. it would not even be fair to compare Dobe at 21 to LeBron at 21. Dobe did not make it out of the 1st round this year, and last year he did not even make the playoffs. How can you even argue with that?

Fan say he's the MVP? which fans, Dobe fans? The MVP is Nash, and again, when ESPN did a poll, the "fans" picked Lebron over Dobe by a landslide, that's a fact, look it up, google it, etc, so as opposed to youl, I'm giving you hard cold facts, and I even tell you where to look, as opposed to saying "fans sad it". Get real man.

1:30 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

lakers in the 80s dont lose respect cause lakers won 8 chapionshp in the decade. 8 times they beat the celts pistons bulls.

pistons heats could hold in the west but no one else. that means lebrons team.

1:37 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Last I checked Lebron's team was clobbering the Pistons. That shows they can hold their own against any many teams in the west too, with the Pistons being one of the best teams in the league. And the cavs have been doing it without larry hughes too.

1:57 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kobe at 21 won his first of three rings.

2:05 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lebron doesn't have a Shaq to help him out...

2:14 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wha? Kobe is 0-2, and Lebron is o-3? are you brain dead? yes you are. Dobe is 0-2 and he's 27 about to turn 28. LeBron is 21, and he's in 2nd round of the playoffs, his team might just eliminate the Pistons. Even you must realize that. And again, Dobe created all of this. it would not even be fair to compare Dobe at 21 to LeBron at 21. Dobe did not make it out of the 1st round this year, and last year he did not even make the playoffs. How can you even argue with that?

hahaah. this is just too funny. i put that there because u were saying that lebron is better than kobe. so age doesnt matter even if kobe's turning 28 and lebron is turning 21. weak excuse. if lebron is better than kobe comparison is completly nessecary.

about people living in the city of angels are proud of that. i dont no who wont unless there pure haters like u.

so lebron is better than kobe but no, its ok because lebron is younger than kobe. lebron knows more, play like a team, but nah, its ok because hes younger than kobe.

0-2 and 0-3? am i braindead?. nah im stating the fact just as u. kobe without shaq didnt win a championship. lebron being better than kobe and not winning a chamionship either. so kobe carried his team to the playoffs with a very weak supporting team. but the day when he gets credit is when he wins. so with lebron exceding kobe, being at a higher level gets credit for making his team into the second round.

2:16 AM

 
Blogger asorto1 said...

Exactly, Lebron is way better than Kobe at this very moment. Imagine, how much better Lebron is if you do an age by age comparison. Either way, Lebron is better.

And as someone else in this blog posted, Lebron does not have a dominant center, Dobe had Shaq to save his ass when the Lakers were winning, heck, Dobe even had Fisher, Glen Rice, Gary Payton, etc, etc, etc. All Lebron has is Larry Hughes, Dobe has Lamar Odom. So why isn't he winning? b/c of all the reasons that have been mentioned on this blog. The best thing that could happen to the Lakers is that they trade Mr. 1 on 5 (i.e. Dobe), and get Lebron.

I mean, if you're a die-hard Dobe fan, then no matter what people tell ya, you'll still be blind as a bat. The reality is that folks from Phil Jacson to Ray Allen, to Caron Butler, to the media think Dobe has issues, Dobe could win he got rid of that 1 on 5 mentality, and that's not just my opinion, and any Dobe brownoser knows that, just ask Jackson.

10:13 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

LeBron is not better than Kobe. Kobe might have had Shaq, but have you ever thought about the fact that Shaq also had Kobe? The two have never won a rin without eachother. And LeBron will not win a championship either unless one of his teammates really steps up big time.

Of course, I'm not saying LeBron is bad because he's one hell of a player at the age of 21. Plus he's got some sick passing skills that Kobe doesn't have, but Kobe's the better player. His 35ppg was incredible, his All-NBA 1st team was impressive, his All-defensive 1st team was also impressive, his 62-point performance in three quarters was very impressive, and to top that off he had an 81 point game. Jordan didn't accomplish that feat when he was in his career- not even during his ballhog years. And maybe it was against the Raptors, but tell me why nobody else had dropped 81 on them.

Call me blind as a bat, but all the haters are just hating for no real reason. It's just ridiculous.

7:41 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are blind as a bat or have you not seen all the freakin reasons to hate Kobe stated above and you said one yourself, Lebron has sick passing that Kobe doesn't. Kobe doesn't pass when he needs to. Stupid me-first attitude. Your reasons can be taken apart by arguments stated above too.

I have to bring the age comparison again. At his age, Lebron is already close to what Kobe averaged this season. He's no 2 or 3 in the league in scoring right now (not sure). When he reaches Kobe's age he'll get even better. About the Kobe and Shaq needing each other, yes the did. Just imagine if Lebron gets a Shaq to help him out. Without a Shaq and without Larry Hughes right now the Cavs are doing a heck of a job in the playoffs. Alone, Kobe can't even get past the first round! That's Kobe for you. So what if he's the scoring leader. Scoring doesn't mean squat if you don't win.

10:45 PM

 
Blogger TeamPlayer said...

Actually, LeBron was 3rd in scoring during the regular season. It was 1) Dobe, with 34, 2) AI, with 31+ 3)LeBron with 31+, 4)Gilbert Arenas with 29+ and 5) Dwayne Wade with 27/28.

11:06 PM

 
Blogger asorto1 said...

Exactly, thanks for telling this BLIND BAT the truth. Scoring does not mean a thing without winning. Look at Allen Iverson. Shaq made the Magic contenders, once he left, Penny Hardaway and the Magic became meaningless; the same goes for the Lakers. The Lakers went from being in the finals to NOT making the playoffs. What changed? Shaq was no longer there. So how can you say Shaq needed Dobe? it's the other way around. Just like Penny needed Shaq, just like the Heat are now making TWO consecutive Eastern finals appearance, and remember, Shaq is no longer in his prime. Shaq has made Wade better, Shaq made Penny better, and Shaq was able to make the Lakers win despite Dobe's obsession with playing 1 on 5, taking 30 footers, or taking shot while being trippled-team, and again, even Phil Jackson busted on Dobe, just scroll up and read this entire blog. So NO, Shaq did not need Dobe, it was the other way around, and if you were to read this blog, and take the time to understand thing, you would reach the same conclusion.

Oh, and by the way, again, Dobe is almost 28, Lebron is 21. It's not even a fair comparison, yet Lebron is a much more mature athlete at 21 then Dobe is at 28. Go pull some tapes from when Dobe was 21, you'll find Dobe taking dumb-ass shots from 30 feet away against the Jazz. Is that what you want for your team? and the reason why Dobe averaged 34 points if b/c he took all the shots, this is the guy that routinely went 9 out 33, this is the guy that said that he thought it was good for the Lakers if he went 9 out of 33 b/c that way his teammates "the opportunity to get more rebounds". Talk about an errogant selfish prick.

And like someone posted above, scoring means nothing, winning does, and it's even worse if your team goes from being in the finals to not making the playoffs just b/c you wanted to be "the man". But if you're blind as bat, you will never get it.

11:28 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Has anyone even noticed that LeBron did win tonight. Ahh! I guess it's not Lebron's time yet. Anyways I got all you beat. Check your NBA history. Magic Johnson as a rookie took over game 7 of the finals against the 76er's and played center. That is what I call maturity.

12:37 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's all see what LeBron can do in game 7 against Detroit.

12:45 AM

 
Blogger asorto1 said...

Magic Johnson was an awesome player, Dobe could not carry his jock-strap.

Even if Lebron, and the Cavs, lose game 7, they still went ALOT further then Dobe. And Dobe sure wasn't carrying the Lakers when he was 21

Lets see if Lebron QUITS on his team in the 2nd half like Dobe did, NOT.

1:04 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

telling fans that were blind as a bat? punk ass. your just as blind as a bat as me. telling me kobe had shaq. pshhh. tell me how shaq won too. shaq said he could win so his fat ass better stop whining about the refs. shaq had kobe and thats the chemistery. so stupid.

so stop telling that we brown noser and that we praise him. ok. cause ur just a hater and u dont look at things two ways. u just hate and hate and hate.

this is just too funny. i just had to bring this up. if shaq didnt have kobe or if he didnt have wade, where would his team be. u stupid ass just wont get it. ur blind ass just focus on how bad he is u forgot that shaq never won too. yeah so he made it to the eastern conference finals. so, it doesnt matter cause they didnt win. just like what u said imabitch1.

1:09 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You Kobe fans are just repeating the same arguments which can be refuted again and again by such posts of teamplayer and asorto1. I won't even bother to repost the counter-arguments. No offense to you guys but you just don't get it. Blind as a bat. This is getting boring.

As a parting note, Shaq made Kobe better just as he's making Wade better now. Wade now was nothing like what he was in college and even his first season, he was in the shadow if lebron and melo. Look at wade now.

Shaq can now afford to take a backseat to Wade which is good for him now that he's getting more injury prone and older. If only Kobe waited that could have been him in wade's position now.

1:20 AM

 
Blogger asorto1 said...

you see, you little blind punk, that's exactly the answer I would expect from a Dobe fan. Think about this, Shaq has been able to win without Dobe (e.g. the Magic, and the Heat), so that shows you that Dobe is not the reason why he won. What happened to Penny after Shaq left? what happed to Dobe after Shaq left? where was the Heat before Shaq got there.

Sure, you can convice yourself that Shaq won b/c of Dobe, but the facts, and history speak for themselves. Oh, and by the way, B-ball is a team sport, so just about any good player had a supporting cast, something that evindently Dobe just realized after 10 years, man, he's such a "fast learner".

The record speaks for itself, and the truth sure hurts.

1:21 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

look lakers 2006 record and the heats record before shaq got there. aint so different huh.
shaq has wade to save him thats why his team is so good. u blind idiot. without wade, heats are nothing. thats a pure fact.
sheeze u talkin bullcrap how lakers are losers and that they lost a 3-1 lead. well mavs doing the same thing playin team ball. so now whats up.

1:23 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lakers 2006 record: 45-37. If you're saying the heat had a similar record before shaq came then the heat's 2006 record of 52-30 is much better. Difference? Wade was there before Shaq came so why's it different. because of Shaq. Shaq made Wade better!

1:36 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You Kobe fans are just repeating the same arguments which can be refuted again and again by such posts of teamplayer and asorto1. I won't even bother to repost the counter-arguments. No offense to you guys but you just don't get it. Blind as a bat. This is getting boring.

yeah so shut the Fkk up cause this arguments are fore men. not pussies

1:38 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

then show me some new argument that will make me shut up. Calling me a pussy does nothing to help your arguments. F*kker

1:42 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yeah. i fuk. u get fuked

1:53 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

just like Kobe fans to be like their idol... all total idiots. Now they're resorting to insults cuz they can't justify their arguments

1:55 AM

 
Blogger asorto1 said...

hmm, this is way too easy, but if you want proof that will make you shut your trap, just read the blog, and/or comments by the folks that are not Dobe groupies.

And to the guy that attempted to imply that the Heat did not get better with Shaq, check this out:

In 2003-2004 (that is, the year before Shaq got there) the Heat record was 42-40, this is with Wade, Butler, Grant, Odom, etc etc. Once O'Neal got there the Miami Heat improved by 17 games, from a 42-40 record to an Eastern Conference-best 59-23 record in 2004-2005. That's a fact, and I'm sure you're gonna find some twisted way of ignoring that.

Now little boy, I will give you some homework, go google the Lakers' record for the last year that Shaq was there, and then google the Lakers' record for the year immediately after Shaq left (meaning that Dobe got to be "the man").

Enough said, I'm hitting the sack now.

In the first round of the 2005 NBA playoffs (a sweep of the New Jersey Nets

1:55 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah and Shaq won the title in his first season with the Heat. Shaq is just that good.

2:05 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

just like Kobe fans to be like their idol... all total idiots. Now they're resorting to insults cuz they can't justify their arguments

im a kobe fan because im a laker fan. lakers are not joke. look at there history. all done and said.
ur team? cavs probably. nice franchise.

2:33 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok I have nothing against you guys liking Kobe, for whatever reason. Sorry if I offended you Laker fans out there. I was just trying to say the argument is getting out of hand when all everyone can do is insult each other instead of trying to trying help their arguments. As I've said the arguments being presented are just repeating, even if so many counter arguments have been shown. I admit Kobe is a great player but it's his personality and me-first attitude that ticks me off. But that's my opinion. I never meant to offend anyone so I'm sorry if I did and I sure you guys stop with the silly insulting. Personally I'm tired of this debate and Kobe fans keep up with your Kobe love. At least it's something you're passionate about and show the meaning of a true fan. I'm signing off and bye guys.

2:44 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

thx for that.
something asorto and teamplayer just cant say.

2:55 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In 2003-2004 (that is, the year before Shaq got there) the Heat record was 42-40, this is with Wade, Butler, Grant, Odom, etc etc. Once O'Neal got there the Miami Heat improved by 17 games, from a 42-40 record to an Eastern Conference-best 59-23 record in 2004-2005. That's a fact, and I'm sure you're gonna find some twisted way of ignoring that.

no dude. ur absolutely rite. shaq makes everybody better. but lets look at the record. before shaq left and when wade lead the team, maimi was not better than the 2006 lakers. thats what im saying. u arguin that kobe sukks and that wade lebron are better yaddah yaddah. that proves that kobe could lead his team into victories cause he had a better record than wade. and remember, lamar was there. lamar was the number 2 guy. just like for tha lakers. so they had almost identical team but lakers getting more wins

2:59 AM

 
Blogger TeamPlayer said...

The problem with Dobe fans is that you are just like your leader. Stubborn and self-absorbed where you can't see your faults.

There's nothing wrong with being a fan of Dobe, or any other player, and we all have our opinions. Mine is a negative one and I have the right to express it, just like you have the right to express your love for the guy.

The problem here is that you're so blinded by that "passion" of yours, you can't see things that are wrong with the guy. And nobody, not even Dobe (although I'm sure he thinks so), is perfect. Admitting your faults is a first step to becoming a better person and a better player in Dobe's case. If you think you're perfect, you're in la-la land and you'll never improve on anything you do.

Nobody denies Dobe's talent. Nobody denies his athleticism. This blog was not started to stay that Dobe sucks as a player. This blog was started to point that the guy has major faults - like being selfish and arrogant. Everything he does, from his game to his interviews to his reported locker room behavior, demonstrates that. And the problem is that he doesn't think he ever does anything wrong. It's always every one else's fault. Please find me one interview where he's said - I need to improve on something. Never. Every other player in the NBA is capable of admitting to that. Steve Nash is the 2-time MVP, but whever he has a bad game, he goes out there and says - I didn't play well, I need to improve. Even Rasheed Wallace, who majorly gets of my nerves for having such a loud mouth, said yesterday - "I f-ed up" about missing 2 free throws.
But no, not Dobe. He would've said something "Oh, but my teammates got the rebound, so it was a good thing."

And that's a problem with you guys. Not that you like the guy or are passionate about him and that Lakers. But that you can't admit that the guy has faults that he majorly needs to work on.

10:18 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And. The problem with you guys is that you keep feeding the hate and asorto1 is the instigator with the personal insults. I am fine with debating Kobe's game, but asorto1 starts with "are you on crack", "blind as bat" which are okay and then he makes his insults personal with, "you are a moron, idiot and stupid. I and other anons just have to come back at him which then the debate is no longer about Kobe, but about you guys.

11:23 AM

 
Blogger asorto1 said...

ha ha ha, this too funny. The problem here is that Dobe fans can't handle the truth, so they get offended. And as far as "insults" go back and read all the posting from the Dobe bandwagon riders, and then get back to me (if you're gonna dish it out, you gotta take it). Every fact that has been listed here is exactly that, a fact, if you can't handle cold hard facts that you have no business logging into a blog that by definition will bust on Dobe

Focus on the facts, and opposed to following Dobe. There's a reason why the latest ESPN poll shows that 78% of the fans picked Lebron, and only 22% picked Dobe. Now deal with it.

And yes, I agree, all these arguments are getting redundant, since we've shown beyond a reasonable doubt that Dobe is not all that.

12:42 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The above post by asorto1 proves my point. He can't handle the truth that Kobe is a great player.

1:10 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yeah and once you said that kobe is a great player a while ago, i bet u ganna come back at sumthing else. teamplayer and asorto said he was a great player himself. now there ganna say some bs. i bet you

7:21 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

kobe = the best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

8:17 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

MJ, '86-87: 37.1 ppg/5.2 rpg/4.6 apg
KB, '05-06: 35.4 ppg/5.3 rpg/4.5 apg

their best seasons. even you teamplayer and asorto cant deny that he had a great season. rite. please tell me he had a good season

9:00 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's funny when they reminisce over you inside of a paradox like this, because no one mentioned how that season the Bulls played under-.500 basketball (40-42, fifth in their division, 17 games out of first place) and how they got swept in the first round by Boston, yet Kobe got the Lakers to play over-.500 ball (45-37, third in their division, nine games from first) and push the Suns to a "win or go home" game in the first round … and he gets dogged. Or how Michael came in second in MVP voting that year to Magic, yet Kobe came in fourth this year, fifth in the general managers voting poll.

Yet, they basically had the exact same statistical season.

MJ, '86-87: 37.1 ppg/5.2 rpg/4.6 apg
KB, '05-06: 35.4 ppg/5.3 rpg/4.5 apg


thats scoop jackson. so please dont criticze me.

9:27 PM

 
Blogger TeamPlayer said...

See, the difference between MJ's 86-87 season and Kobe's 05-06 season is that that season was MJ's 3rd season in the NBA. This is Kobe's 10th. Michael got a lot of the same criticisms at that time that Kobe gets today - that he didn't pass the ball enough, that he couldn't do enough to win. The difference is that MJ was able to understand that those were his weaknesses and improve to be the great player that people remember his to be today. Kobe has had 10 years and still thinks that there's nothing wrong with his game.

11:08 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and yet people say that was mj's best year

1:12 AM

 
Blogger TeamPlayer said...

Best scoring year, not best year as a complete player. Later in his career he was scoring 29, 30 ppg, but he was winning championships. Just shows you that pure ppg is not what makes you win.

2:23 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

but that was when he had teamates that could score. see, kobe had teamates early in his career, jordan late in his career.

2:31 AM

 
Blogger TeamPlayer said...

MJ had Pippen. Pippen was no star player when he came to the Bulls. Lamar Odom is a better player than Pippen was early in his career. MJ made Pippen good. With Kobe, Lamar has to pave his own way.

2:36 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lamar has no brain. He can't think. He has no basketball IQ. Does Kobe have to implant thinking cells to Lamar too.

11:33 AM

 
Blogger TeamPlayer said...

Actually, Lamar has a pretty damn good job considering that he never gets the ball from Dobe. He has had a higher shooting percentage than Dobe (48% v 45%), gets a good number of rebounds (9/10ppg) and dishes out more assists (5.5ppg). Lamar has carried the Lakers this year in games where Dobe was shooting horribly. And he was impressive in the playoffs. Once again, this is all when Dobe rarely ever passes him the ball and yells at him when he takes shots that Dobe felt were his. And you say the guy has no b-ball IQ? Need I mention that he knows his range and never takes Dobe-like shots?

Dobe is the one that lacks b-ball IQ. His coaches have been telling him for 10 years to share the rock, and he still doesn't get it. He thinks it's a smart thing to go out on the floor and not perform to prove a point. He thinks it's a good idea to take a shot with 3 defenders in your face. This is a guy with any sort of IQ? (you don't need b-ball IQ, just normal human intelligence to figure these things out) He makes George W look like Einstein.

11:49 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

he had pippen, horace grant,charles oakley(he lead the league in rebounding during his years), George Gervin(hall of famer). lakers had kwame and smush. camoon man.

3:01 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are right. Lamar is the smart one who didn't foul Marion with a foul to give right before Marion passed the ball to Tim Thomas who hit the three. You are right again that Lamar is the brilliant one when he is so predictable when going to his left side. Once again you are right when Lamar is the genius who has made it to the all-star team every single year of his career. Lamar has great skill, but just doesn't have it mentally to put it all together. Lamar Odom is the type of player that had he been a baseball player wil hit a solo homerun, but with the game on the line will strike out with the bases loaded and lose the game.

5:01 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ur right. lamar should have fouled marion. that would have been the seris. stupid lamar always messing things up.

6:15 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

well lebron's out, so get off his jock now

Kobe Bryant is a BRILLIANT basketball player, a WONDERFUL human being, and an INTELLIGENT man.

8:27 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well we all saw what LeBron can do in game 7. What only 4 points more than Kobe. Yep LBJ can sure take over in game seven. LBJ became a spud as in couch potato and can watch the rest of the playoffs after he goes fishing. Vroom! I hear the motorboat reving up.

8:47 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yea i know. hahahaahaha
lets see the xcuses now asorto teamplayer

8:57 PM

 
Blogger asorto1 said...

hmm, Phil Jackson, Shaq, the media, etc etc have been telling Dobe for 10 year to play teamball, and Dobe is the "smart one"? talk about blind.

As far as Lebron, even if Lebron had scored zero points in the second half, he is still 1,000 times better than Dobe, Why? I repeat it to you for the 1,000th time: A.) he did not quit on his team; B.) Unlike Dobe, he does not play 1 o 5, or take shots get trippled team like Dobe likes to do; C) Eventhough he's alot younger than Dobe, Lebron took the Cavs to the semi-finals against probably the best team in the league (the Pistons).

I love how Dobe fans are now busting on Lamar Odom, when you should be busting on your idol quitting on ya b/c he wanted to make a point. Even sorry-ass Luke Walton did not quit on the Lakers, Dobe did, and I'm sure not the only one saying that. So live with it.

9:22 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh brother! Talk about excuses. Did you even see the game. LBJ did go 1 on three and even with some space bricked with about 3 minutes left in the 4th.

9:37 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

first, the one u call"dobe" didnt quit on his team. there was just no point ok. so thats out of the question. look at the points ok.

lebron has veterans on the team. ok.
kobe is lyk the oldest player on the team that gets sufficient amout of minutes.

and third, lakers would have won if it wasnt for lamar. ok. god.

9:48 PM

 
Blogger TeamPlayer said...

I don't have the time to address all the time Dobe screwed up during the series (will do that in the next post), but I will say one thing: why are you guys busting on Lamar? I thought that, according to you, a true Laker fan should love any Laker player b/c he's a Laker. Talk about hypocricy.

11:13 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

lebron tanked in the second half

kobe is number 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! don't deny it haters!

11:17 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

kobe is #1 during the regular season and in the playoffs. hand down. everybody that hates kobe, but know basketball would know that.

11:24 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yo asorto or teamplayer make a new post dude. this one is too long.
this post was taken by the fans. hhaaaahahahah

12:16 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

100th comment is that:

Kobe is the greatest always!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY!!!!!!!

2:34 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kobe is trash. He is the most selfish player in the league. I have never understood his gameplan. I never understood why he had to shoot the ball so much. Especially when he had Shaq, who at one time led the league in field goal percentage. But I guess that is one of life's great mysteries. Kobe could be a great team player. He is an outstanding individual player, but a second rate man. He is also a 3rd rate player because his quest to be the greatest individual player stands in the way of the team goal of winning a championship. Often times peoples personal goals take a backseat to a greater common good. But not in the world of Kobe. But I don't care anyway. I will start rooting for the Lakers again once they trade captain selfish.

5:06 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why don't you just trade your fandom to another team. The Lakers and Lakers fans don't need any bandwagon fans.

9:41 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Good riddance, Cleveland.
And take that weak offense and Michael Jordan wannabe, LeBron James, with you.
One day, James will probably get the best of the Pistons and move forward in the postseason.
But that time is not now."

"James, who was 1-for-9 from the field in the second half, pulled a lame move, walking off the court without giving congratulations to the Pistons for what they were able to do, come back and win the series."

"The next time the Cavaliers play the Pistons in the postseason, they better bring better players. Jordan, er, James can't do it alone."

Rob Parker
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060522/SPORTS08/605220386/1004/SPORTS

11:45 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And those quotes prove what? At least the Cavs made the 2nd round and forced a game 7. There's nothing embarrassing about losing to the Pistons. Just as there's nothing embarrassing about the Lakers losing to the Suns. Sheesh...

11:58 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"LeBron James not only failed to make a basket in the third quarter, but also endured a nine-minute stretch without attempting a shot."
"James had 21 points at halftime Sunday. He finished with 27."

"The Pistons deserve full marks for their Game 7 dragnet, but what happened in the third quarter Sunday -- James scored one point and had only three field-goal attempts -- also occurred several times against the Washington Wizards."

By Tom Reed
http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/sports/14638377.htm

12:06 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://cmsimg.freep.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C4&Date=20060522&Category=SPORTS03&ArtNo=605220415&Ref=V2&Profile=1048&MaxW=450&MaxH=450&Border=1

"King James managed just six second-half points."
Detroit Free Press

12:17 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://cmsimg.freep.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C4&Date=20060522&Category=SPORTS03&ArtNo=605220415&Ref=V2&Profile=1048&MaxW=450&MaxH=450&Border=1

"King James managed just six second-half points."
Detroit Free Press

12:21 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's called Pistons defense.. sheesh. As I said there's nothing embarrassing about losing to the Pistons. Dissappointing yes but not embarrasing at all. The fact that Lebrin and his team managed to even get to game 7 in the 2nd round against the Pistons is a huge deal. This game 7 was totally unexpected.

12:24 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sheesh.

12:58 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yea exactly. just like the game 7 for the lakers were unexpected. just like the 3-1 lead is unexpected. but guess what the haters were doin. what else, hate

10:01 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

if they say that the lakers losing the seris was dissapointing, it goes the same for the cavs. all they needed was about 2 rebounds that they gave up to hamilton. they would have gotten the seris. just for the lakers.

10:02 PM

 
Blogger asorto1 said...

The difference is that the Lakers went from being in the finals 2 years ago to not making the playoffs and choking in the 1st round. The Cavs, on the other hand, did not destroy their team just to satisfy the ego of Mr. 1 on 5 (or as a Laker fan in this blog called him, "Captain Selfish".)

Having said that, and for the 1,000th time, Lebron taking the Cavs to the second round & taking the Pistons (an real good team) to game 7 is an awesome accomplishment. Dobe driving the Lakers to the ground by not making the playoffs, and quitting on his team when facing elimination speaks for itself.

Now Dobe fans are scrambling to find negative press on Lebron, it's ok, it's just a sign that they're in denial about Dobe, the same Dobe who after 10 hears is way behind Lebron's 3 years in the league, and again, Lebron does not have a domninant center to carry him on his back.

It's sad that all of this has to be repeated over and over again, as Dobe fans are in serious denial.

As long as Dobe is at the helm, the Lakers' motto is "there's always next year", or in Dobe's case, "there's always next year to play 1 on 5". Heck, Dobe had it made, if he starts losing he can always hide behind "the teamball game plan" and he can claim that it was the coaches fault, or the players fault. I love it.

11:42 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

look and think very closely to ur very hatred brain or yours.

ok."dobe's" team was a huge mess in the beggining of the season. all the anaylsts said that his team wont make the palyoffs. everybody said that the lakers were over. by the way, if a team falls, which the lakers did, the thing to do is get back up. i think doing that and carrying the team back up deserves as much credit. now back to the season. remember, they were i think 6-9. then they got on a 5 game road winning streak. not even with shaq they did that. then they got a playoff spot in the west and never lost it. i think that deserves as much credit as what the cavs did. then, when the playoffs hit, everybody expected them to lose in either 4 or 5 games. even u were laughing about it. then they pushed the suns to elimination. and who lead the team? not lamar.
they did eventually lose, but to lose to a dominant team like the suns, its not dissapointing. if cavs play the suns, they wouldnt gave won them. they played the wizards.
when the lakers lost the seris, i was dissapointed, dissapointed that we were 6 seconds away from proving everybody wrong again. it just didnt go that way.

ill say it once again. lakers win like 34 games. cavs were .500. it was easier for the cavs to make it to where they were. and remember, lakers were only 5 games away from them. i think thats a great accomplishment considering the fact that they had kwame and somebody that came from the d league in their staring lineup.

11:54 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No scrambling. All you have to do is type www.insidehoops.com and all the links are there. It is that easy. You should try it sometime.

12:14 AM

 
Blogger asorto1 said...

How long have Dobe fans sunk that they're bragging about not making the playoffs last year, and having the Lakers' lose in the 1st round after the King of 1 on 5 threw a temper tantrum by quitting on his team. So basically the Lakers were playing 4 on 5 b/c Mr. 1 on 5 took himself out of the offense. Not even Lebron in his darkest moment would think of doing that. Not even Luke "I'm in the league b/c my daddy begged somebody" Walton quit on the Lakers.

A 5 game winning streak makes news among some of you? how about winning 3 rings while being handicapped by the king of stupid shots? please, Dobe fans have sunk really low when they celebrate making the 1st round of the playoffs.


As far as having a bad team, Dobe created that situation, and the sign of a good player is making lesser players better. Dobe will never be that, so for now, Dobe fans must focus on individual accomplishments. Lebron at 21 is 1,000 years ahead of Dobe, and that is a fact. And remember, soon Dobe will be too old. Heck, at least Dobe fans can claim that the King of 1 o 5 won 1 or 2 scoring titles, there's something everyone will remember in 5 years, NOT!!!

1:02 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

nobody said that we were braggin. all im saying is that it was a great year bouncing back from last season stupid

1:45 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

guess what punk, clips played team ball and guess wht happened to them

1:45 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually, Kobe is 1,000 years ahead of LBJ. Kobe was a champion at 21. You seem to forget that it was Jerry West that after signing Shaq decided to trade Vlade Divac for the drafting rights for Kobe because he knew that Shaq would need a spectacular player to help him win a title. The Heat are trying in reverse. Pat Riley drafted Dwyane Wade and knew that he had to keep him when trading for Shaq because again Shaq needs a spectacular player to win a championship. Kobe didn't create this. It was all about circumstances. It was Lakers management that it was time and money and to get rid of The Big Headache . The Lakers might of had a better trade option, but I believe the Lakers wanted to help Pat Riley because he was a Laker. I am sure that you know this already, but you just can't admit it yourself and everyone else. Be patient and winning will come back. It always does. It comes in cycles. Look what happend to the Spurs. They once again can't win back to back titles.

1:54 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

lakers will be winning soon. it always happens to them. then asorto and teamplayer can just shut up

2:21 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

by your logic, clippers and spurs choked too
i don't see you making a spurshaters.blogspot.com

your hate is disgusting
seriously who hates someone who is so damn good?

2:53 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yeah, kobe is good, even they say so. psh, clips and the lakers both went to seven games but for them, its ok because clips dont have kobe. weirdoss

3:06 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Even sorry-ass Luke Walton"
"Not even Luke "I'm in the league b/c my daddy begged somebody" Walton" by Asorto1

"I thought that, according to you, a true Laker fan should love any Laker player b/c he's a Laker. Talk about hypocricy." by Teamplayer

Sounds like there are problems in paradise.

12:25 PM

 
Blogger TeamPlayer said...

Wow, what logic. I wouldn't recommend pursuing any career where you have to put 2 and 2 together, because you seem to come up with 5.

I'm not the one that claims that you must love Laker players unconditionally just because they're Laker players. That's YOUR argument. I've always said that a true fan should be able to criticize his team's players, not just blindly admire. And that very argument of yours leads to the conclusion that a true Laker fan should also love Lamar, Smush, Walton, whoever else, just because they're Lakers. So you're being hypocritical by criticizing Lamar.

My stance (and asorto1's as well) is and has always been: call it like it is. If Luke Walton sucks, he sucks. Doesn't matter if he's a Laker or not. If Kobe is an arrogant and selfish cry baby, he is one, and we'll say that regardless of whether he's a Laker or he gots to the Clippers next year.

1:08 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am no the one being hypocritical. I am a Lakers fan and do not like Lamar because even though he has skill he doesn't always use it and that is because he doesn't think. Imagine if Lamar could harness the grit and determination of Manu or KG.

1:31 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

just wait a couple of years. lakers will always win. because there the lakers. hahaha. its just the way it is. sorry haters

4:59 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

teamplayer and asorto is a poophead

5:13 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think teamplayer and asorto1 are much more than just poophead(s). JMO

11:11 PM

 
Blogger asorto1 said...

oh yes, how the truth hurts. I love it. Ha ha, too funny!!!

There's always next year to play 1 on 5.

11:41 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why is Kobe sitting at home in Newport Beach while Shaq and Wade are hanging their foot in the Pistons ass?

2:54 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is only game one. I wouldn't mind if the Heat do make it to the finals and lose. That is because it will make Shaq a three time loser with three different teams.

4:10 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

heats are only ganna lose to the mavs.

5:03 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you should make a new topic. lebron and the cavs are out.

8:47 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

heat wins the ring, fuck kobe !!!

8:41 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, the same thing happened to Michael Jordan himself versus the Bad Boys of the 80's. And currently, Kobe has a better effeciency than Lebron while playing LESS. Get it in your head.

2:41 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are you serious right now? Kobe definetely doesn't need LeBron at all. Kobe IS a great player and whoever this guy is saying that Kobe is just sitting around watching it all .. Well they are the ones who need to watch a game or two and THEN let's hear Kobe's stats. A few games ago, he had 40 points with 13 rebounds, 8 assists 3 steals and 2 blocks. How is that not an all-star player? Wowww, and let's get real here. Kobe is out scoring almost everyone in the leauge, and you want to say he's not a good player or he's playing 1 on 5? If that is the case, which I highly disagree, well he's doing a pretty good job of it. If Kobe and LeBron played one on one, Kobe would be sure to own him.

1:22 PM

 
Anonymous Kinley said...

haha i love lebron james and i hate kobe!!!! GO LEBRON!!!!!!!! whoot whoot!! lol

11:12 AM

 

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